
Caveat lector
12 April 1998
Life in this celebrity press corps: Must-see-(to-believe) TV
Synopsis: Three NBC pundits told the story they like when they discussed what Clinton said about Flowers.
Commentary by Tim Russert, Andrea Mitchell, Claire Shipman
Tim Russert,CNBC, 4/11/98
Commentary by Bill OReilly
The OReilly Factor,Fox News Channel, 4/10/98
We couldnt help chuckling as we watched these three pundits as they batted the Clinton scandals around Saturday night. Surely, they set a new record for disingenuous treatment of the presidents deposition about his relations with Gennifer Flowers.
The crew warmed up with predictable chatter about standard Clinton White House themes. But soon enough, we hit the real question: what of the presidents lying about Flowers? Host Tim Russert offered the standard recitation of the press corps most sacred new text:
RUSSERT: And how do [White House aides] explain Gennifer Flowers, where the president looked the public in the eye in 1992 and said, Her storys untrue, and then under oath said, Yes, I had sex?
We were amazed to see Russert make this presentation, because hed been reminded on Meet the Press,just the week before, that Clinton had notso testified. James Carville had pointed out that, in his deposition, Clinton had been given a wide-ranging definition of sexual relations by Paula Jones lawyers--a definition which included all sorts of activities that fell far short of sexual intercourse. As Carville pointed out on Meet the Press,Clinton had been instructed by the court to use the lawyers definition for purposes of answering their questions. When Clinton said hed had sexual relations with Flowers, therefore, he was not necessarily testifying to having sex as the phrase is commonly taken. As Carville mentioned, Time magazine has reported, on its web site, that Clinton told friends that the episode in question was a grope-and-grab session in a Little Rock night club--nota case of having sex as the phrase is commonly understood, and notan event that would contradict Clintons 1992 claim that Flowers was a woman I didnt sleep with.
And Carville had hardly been out there alone in making this public explanation. Here at THE HOWLER, wed seen Mandy Grunwald make the same presentation on two different TV shows (including Hardball,on CNBC), and Dee Dee Myers had engaged in a colloquy on the subject on Charles Grodins CNBC show April 10! In other words, it had been pointed out, all week long, that Clinton had nottestified that hed had sex with Flowers, as the term is usually understood. But there was Russert telling the same tired old story, as if hed never heard anything different!
Truly, we didnt know whether to laugh or to cry, here at DAILY HOWLER World Headquarters. We couldnt believe the representation wed just heard Big Tim make! But Russerts colleagues quickly proved themselves equal to the Big Guys considerable challenge. Heres how Shipman and Mitchell, knowing theirsacred texts, responded to Russerts question:
RUSSERT: And how do [White House aides] explain Gennifer Flowers, where the president looked the public in the eye in 1992 and said, Her storys untrue, and then under oath said, Yes, I had sex?
MITCHELL: Well, her story was that there was a twelve-year affair--
SHIPMAN: --a twelve-year affair and thats the phrase they cling to, the twelve-year affair. They say it was not a twelve-year affair.
Its no wonder the pundits were able to complete each others thoughts, so lovingly do theycling to favorite stories. The fact is, all week long, Clinton spokesmen had been appearing on NBC channels, making a presentation that was very different from the one the two pundits now described. Carville and Grunwald had not clung to the claim that it was not a twelve-year affair; they had pointed out that the president had not testified to any affair at all! But thats not the story NBC pundits prefer, since it robs them of their chance to say that Clintons a liar. So their viewers were given accounts that were false, but which did have one enormous advantage--they made Clinton out to be a liar, and so are preferred to other explanations that would actually be accurateaccounts.
For the record: THE DAILY HOWLER does not know if Clinton and Flowers ever actually had sex. THE DAILY HOWLER has no way of knowing if Clinton testified truthfully in his Paula Jones deposition. But THE HOWLER doesknow what Clinton said, and we doknow what explanation Clinton spokesmen have clung to. Its hard to imagine a panel of pundits giving their viewers more profoundly flawed info. But then, sad but true, as weve told you before--its all just a part of what we dolove to call: Life in this celebrity press corps!
Postscript: Working our way down the network news chain, we got a glimpse of just how bad it can get on the matter of the Clinton deposition.
On Fox News Channel, Bill OReilly asked Larry Klayman to cite five instances where Clinton had lied to the public. Needless to say, Klayman started his list with the standard stock howler about Clinton having lied about Flowers:
KLAYMAN: Now the story line as it came out in one of the depositions that weve taken recently in the Filegate class action suit--this is James Carville--was that it was only groping. Of course, we dont know how to define groping. Sometimes the lies are so vast theyre even almost funny in a way. Although it certainly wasnt funny for Miss Flowers.
We enjoyed that final reference to Flowers, who has never claimed that her alleged relations with Clinton were anything but consensual. (I loved Bill, the chanteuse memorably cooed.) But we were particularly amused by OReillys response, which gave a rare glimpse of how a top-flight Fox journalist nails down important facts in big stories:
OREILLY: In his deposition in the Paula Jones case the president admitted a one-night stand with Gennifer Flowers. So were led to believe, and I called up and it was confirmed and all of that. I have no doubt that he did that. But again, the Democrats are going to say, Listen, theres a difference between a one-night stand and a twelve-year affair and the president was referring to the twelve-year affair.
Dont you just love how Bill OReilly gets info? First he says we are led to believe how the president testified, as if the presidents deposition were locked away in a vault. The text of Clintons deposition was released to the public on March 13. It was published, in the New York Times, in great detail, three days later. But how does OReillyfind out what Clinton said? He called up, and it was confirmed, and all of that. Clear enough, journalism majors?
But heres whats reallyremarkable in these two TV episodes: of the five people who discussed Clintons deposition, only Klayman, the one who isnta journalist, even seems to have heard what Clinton spokesmen have been saying. The four journalistswho took part in these embarrassing discussions--Russert, Shipman, Mitchell, and OReilly--all seem completely unaware of the ubiquitous presentation that Klaymanquite knowledgeably reports. Four journalists--four!-- just sittin around, and none of them know what Clinton spokesmen have been saying! So, tell us again, so well get it straight in our minds--what is it that the NBC and Fox news divisions are paying these people to do for them?
At THE HOWLER, we dont know if Clintons deposition is true; but we are fully aware what his deposition says. Russert, Shipman, Mitchell, OReilly? It almost begins to look like they just prefer to tell stories that please them.
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