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TUESDAY, JULY 19, 2011
Christophers latest vast fail: Wow. To observe the latest epic fail, take a look at Chris Matthews attempt to debate Grover Norquist on last evenings Hardball.
Can we talk? Matthews is stunningly unprepared to discuss any policy topic. Regarding his debate with Norquist, a college sophomore could have done better after three weeks of Government 1.
Frank Bruni could have done better last night! Gail Collins could have put up a better fight, in between obsessive references to Mitt Romneys poor abused dog. (Eighteen columns and counting, although shes now on book leave.)
Here at THE HOWLER, we happen to know Grover Norquist a small tiny tad. (For several years, we worked with him on the board of a DC charity event. You might say hes our own Bill Ayers.) We know Grover a small tiny tadand on a personal basis, we like him, for several reasons, although we think his no new taxes ever stance is utterly, transparently foolish. Showing the problems with Norquists stance must be the easiest task on the planet. Until the task is handed to Matthews, who responds with his latest vast fail.
In this weeks award-winning special report (see below), we plan to discuss the press corps failure to explain an array of topics surrounding the ongoing debt limit fight. But if you want to watch someone who cant explain a damn thing, we suggest you watch Matthews last night. For example, watch the way he wastes your time getting mad at a minor matter of language. (How dare Norquist say hissy fit?) Watch the way he wastes your time arguing another meaningless point: Is the GOP no new taxes pledge made to Norquist himself or to the American people?
Norquist has been a powerful player for years. During that era, there has been no bigger fraud than Hardballs hapless host.
We liberals are getting our schadenfreude on concerning Rupert Murdoch this week. Fair enough, but here again we note a small problemit sometimes seems we have to wait for the other side to commit a crime before we can hope to defeat them. When we tolerate world-class clowns like Matthews, we ensure our sides long-term defeat.
We may do a series on Norquist next week. He has been a very determined player. For that reason, you can feel certain of one thing:
Inside DC power circles, there is no liberal equivalent.
PART 1IN SEARCH OF THE FOOLS (permalink): What will happen if President Obama and the Congress dont raise the debt limit by August 2?
Last week, the Pew Research Center decided to take this question to us, the people. In a survey about this matter, they gave respondents two basic choices. This is the question the Pew people asked, although they rotated the order of the two basic choices:
Can the country go past the August 2 date without major economic problems? Or is it absolutely essential that the debt limit be raised by that date? For ourselves, we would have voted for absolutely essential. But we the people are split on this question, according to Pews report:
We the people are split down the middle! In the Pew survey, forty percent said its essential to raise the debt limit by August 2. Thirty-nine percent said there would be no major problems if we didnt raise the limit. (Twenty-one percent said they dont know.)
We the people are evenly split. That said, responses differ by party affiliation, though independents tend to favor the no major problems side:
Nothing here was super surprising. For good or for ill, this is pretty much the way this question has polled for some time.
At any rate, we the people are deeply split about the need for a debt limit hike. Yesterday, Digby offered her views about the results of this survey. We thought her reaction provides a good framework for our new special report.
Digby was unimpressed with the views of us the people. She linked to Greg Sargents post about this Pew surveya report which made some sensible judgments about that survey result. Much of the blame for this should be pinned on Michele Bachmann and others who continue to feed the fantasy that the debt ceiling doesnt matter, Sargent wrote. Wed be inclined to agree, although such questions are heard to test.
Sargent put major blame on Bachmann. But as she started her own post, Digby thundered about the nations fools, a group of which, as things turned out, she herself isnt a part:
According to Digby, at least thirty-nine percent of the public are fools. Of course, if we add in the people who said they dont know, that would take us to sixty percent. For some reason, those people were spared.
At any rate, before she was done, Digby let us know what most of those people are thinking. Why did people say no problem? In this passage, Carnac explains:
Digby is skilled at knowing what tens of millions of people are thinking. Just for the sake of argument, lets work those numbers out:
If we assume there are two hundred million American adults, then roughly eighty million adults think there would be no major economic problems if the debt limit stays where it is. (Another forty million dont know.) Digby knows what most of those eighty million are thinking, why they would offer such views. Most of those people don't really care about this matter, she says. They are in a cynical and despairing mood. They would say no to Pews question because they don't believe anything that politicians and other authority figures say anymore.
We can think of their statement as a protest vote. The particulars of this issue don't matter.
Were always amazed when people can mind-read tens of millions of people this way. But how about itis Digby right? Is that why so many respondents told Pew that there would no major problems? Here at THE HOWLER, we simply dont knowthough we would guess that variuous people would explain their view in various ways. But well note that Sargent offered a massively different explanation for that survey result. As noted above, Sargent pinned much of the blame for that result on Republican pols like Bachmannon authority figures who are telling these voters that there wont be a problem.
According to Sargent, many respondents said no problem because they do believe something politicians and other authority figures have said. This reverses the view Digby expressed.
For ourselves, were always amazed when fiery liberals dismiss so many people as fools. (This strikes us as very bad politics.) Just for the record, were all fairly clueless: Just last Friday, a major liberal blogger offered a post in which she disputed a claim about the way American corporate tax rates compare to those in Europe. To dispute the claim in question, she posted two graphsneither of which shows the way American corporate tax rates compare to those in Europe. We wouldnt call that blogger a fool because she failed to post the right graphs. More diplomatically, wed say that none of us ever gets everything righteven those of us who spend all day puzzling over these matters.
For ourselves, wed say the people who said no problem were almost surely wrong in their view. And wed be inclined to agree with Sargent; wed assume that many people are expressing that view because theyve heard public figures they trust say there would be no problem. But wed take the analysis one step further, bringing the press into play.
Yes, its partly Bachmanns fault for saying there would be no problem. But how has the mainstream press corps reacted to claims like hers? How has the press corps handled this topic? Weve been stunned by the press corps failure to address and explain this matterby its refusal to function in accord with the traditional norms of its craft.
Its fun to call them the people fools, although we think its bad politics and semi-dumb on the merits. But what about the multimillionaires who pretend to explain these matters? Why do pseudo-liberals sometimes blame the average Joe while skipping past these fools?
Does anyone ever explain major issues? Well be asking that question all week with respect to the debt limit issue. And by the way: If no one explains, how can we fools decide?
Tomorrowpart 2: What happened when King said no problem