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THURSDAY, FEBRUARY 10, 2011
Keep dumb alive: From start to finish, Lawrence ODonnell played the corporate fool last night, suggesting that hes really ready to fill that 8 PM time slot. The second half of his program was nothing but nonsense; the first half was nothing to brag about.
In this way, the liberal world gets dumbed all the way to the ground.
On Fox, they constantly play their viewers for fools. But does this occur on MSNBC too? Just consider the story ODonnell has pushed all weekthe claim that Bill OReilly interrupted President Obama an outrageous 43 times in last Sundays 15-minute interview.
This was ODonnells first topic on Monday evenings Last Word, although the tape of this segment has been disappeared. He continued to push the claim on Tuesday and Wednesday nights, building outrage among liberal viewersand of course dumbing them down.
That said, lets see how ODonnell is willing con you. For our money, there was nothing especially inappropriate about the way OReilly conducted himself in the interview with Obama. But ODonnell wanted to keep you angry. And so, he brought the editors in.
On Monday night, as he started his show, he played tape of the outrageous interview, counting OReillys interruptions. But in the process, he played his viewers for fools. Just consider just the way the actual interview started.
When OReilly interviewed Obama, he started by thanking the president for interceding on behalf of several Fox journalists who had been under duress in Egypt. This burned about 45 seconds. (OReilly: Those guys could have died, and I just want everybody to know that the State Department saved them.) After that, OReilly posed his first question. Using the Nexis transcript, this is what transpired before the first interruption:
In the actual interview, that full exchange occurred before that first interruption. But to help us be furious at OReilly, ODonnell edited the exchange for Monday nights program. Once again according to Nexis, this is the exchange you saw if you watched the Last Word Monday night:
How dare he jump in like that! This silly editing continued apace as ODonnell counted the interruptions, helping viewers achieve a pleasing rage about the vile conduct on Fox.
Again, wed like to refer you to the tape of ODonnells Monday night segment. But how odd! Tape of every other Monday segment is available at the MSNBC web site. But tape of this segmentthe programs opening segmentis mysteriously MIA.
Did OReilly interrupt too much? For ourselves, we would say nobut wed have to say its a massively trivial matter. You can judge for yourself, of course, by watching the full tape, available here at the Last Word blog. Please note: In this post from early Monday night, ODonells staff reported this: OReilly interrupted the President more than 70 times (we counted). Twenty minutes later, ODonnell himself went on the air. He put the count at 43, then clowned with Howard Fineman.
But then, this whole three-nighter has been a clown show, designed to keep liberals mad and distracted. If youre truly tribally angry, youll like Lawrence even more, thus letting him stuff more dough in his pants. This man is emerging as a nonpareil fooljust the man to keep tribal dumbness alive, thus dooming progressive prospects.
ODonnells show was endlessly foolish last night. Tonight, you can tune in for more. On Fox, they play their viewers for fools.
Is it really so different on the One True Liberal Channel?
PART 3WE THE UNKNOWING (permalink): Once again, well offer three cheers for Conor Friedersdorf, who understands the moral dimension of Glenn Becks perpetual clowning.
Early last week, Friedersdorf joined Digby in noting an obvious fact; when Beck spreads his disinformation around, hes deceiving actual people, who ought to be viewed as his victims (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 2/9/11). On behalf of the people who get conned by Beck, Friedersdorf voiced open moral offense. Once again, well recommend his full post. But heres part of what he said:
In the pseudo-liberal world, we tend to hate those grandparentshate them so much that we rarely see the moral dimension in the way they get conned by Beck and his ilk. Since we disrespect those people just as much as Roger Ailes does, we rarely see the moral offense in the way they get played by his con men. A few weeks ago, Digby noted the fact that it just isnt right when these people get conned (see THE DAILY HOWLER, 2/8/11). Since that time, several conservative writers, Friedersdorf included, have voiced a similar judgment.
That said, this country is simply crawling with people who have been conned, misled, disinformed about a wide range of seminal topics. And no, it isnt just the grandparentsand no, it isnt just Fox viewers. Our citizenry is so disinformed about so many things that our nation is truly a joke of the gods. Just consider the report which appeared at TPM this Tuesday.
For the record, the report was a wee bit clueless itselfbut lets start at the beginning.
The report was written by Jon Terbush, who was reinventing the wheel about a major problem. To his credit, Terbush was trying to insert a real report about a real problem into the array of nonsense which tends to define the TPM mission. But alas! The headline on his piece didnt quite make sense; neither did Josh Marshalls front-page link to his report (see below). Terbush seems a bit new to his topicbut at least, in his opening paragraph, he touched upon a massive societal problem. We the people are massively clueless, Terbush was reporting:
Lets be precise. Terbush wasnt exactly discussing polls; more precisely, he was writing about information surveys. (It doesnt hurt to maintain the distinction between opinion and facts/information.) Meanwhile, the person who wrote that headline didnt quite seem to understand the full thrust of the Terbush report, which cut to the heart of a giant societal problem. Terbushs report concerned a ginormous problemthe gross misconceptions held by the public about an array of major issues. In short, we the people rarely know squat about even the most basic policy matters. This has been true for a very long time, of coursethough Terbush seemed to think he may have uncovered some startling new information.
Good grief! Did those recent information surveys really suggest that public opinion is often influenced by gross misconceptions? Thats like saying a recent scan of the heavens suggests that the sun can be seen in the sky! On balance, the American public has no earthly idea how the federal budget works, and this fact has been known for a very long time; this situation has been demonstrated by information surveys since time immemorial. Big newspapers tend to avoid such matters and players like Marshall tend to burn their pixels on the latest moronic sex scandal. (Presumably, this draws eyeballs and increases clicks, building a sites sale price.) As Terbush continued, he never really seemed to get clear about the situation he was reporting. But soon, he reported familiar, gruesome facts from those recent surveys:
Well suggest that you read the full report to see how clueless the public is about the size of military spending. Were glad Terbush is exploring this topicbut as he finished, he returned to the language which suggests that he may be slightly clueless himself:
According to Terbush, these survey answers suggest that Americans don't have a plan for rolling back spending; this is like saying that research suggests that one plus one equals two. But waittheres more! According to Terbush, when Americans do propose spending cuts, they overestimate the impact those spending cuts will have! That is perfectly true, of course. But this cluelessness about foreign aid has been a joke for decades now. Terbush writes as if the world has never heard this before.
This may well be true, of course, in the world of Terbush. To his credit, Terbush (a very young man) is writing about a gigantic problema problem which makes an utter joke of this failing nation. And Terbush is a very young mana young man who has suffered the gross misfortune of growing up in a culture with little serious journalism. What follows is part of his official bio, as presented at TPM. For bright young men of such tender years, the clownish culture in which they have lived may well have left them unaware of this giant societal problem. This would include the clownish culture of the liberal world, of course:
Two years ago, Terbush was writing immature jokes at Hyena. Today, he is writing for TPMa site which is one of the pillars of our clownish new liberal world.
Why are citizens so uninformed? Why doesnt the public know squat from squadoosh, even concerning the most basic topics? In part, its because of sites like TPMand because of the pseudo-liberal culture from which such sites have arisen. Alas! In his front-page link to the Terbush report, Josh Marshall clowns, as he now typically does. Terbush seems bright and concerned, but hes a young man. What is Marshalls excuse?
We dont quite understand that headline either, but note the meat of Joshs post. New surveys show the public is clueless? Shouldnt someone tell TPM readers that surveys have been showing this for many, many years?
Terbush seems like a bright, concerned person. But alas! He has come of age in a clownish time. His country is full of disinformed, uninformed, misinformed souls. And in the decades of his life, people like Marshalland so many othershave typically failed to address this matter. Terbush doesnt seem to know how old this story is.
How can it be that so many citizens are clueless about such basic matters? Well discuss that matter tomorrow, and well try to imagine how progressives might respond to this nightmarea nightmare which extends beyond Beck, well beyond the average people he mistreats at Fox.